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Press Conference 
Adnan Oktar (Harun Yahya)

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Honorary President of Science
Research Foundation Mr. Adnan Oktar

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Yes, please.

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I guess we are expecting questions from the friends.

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Yes, bien venue, welcome.

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I am very pleased about your visit.
It is a great honor to have you here.

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We are now in a lovely corner
of our beautiful Istanbul.

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I hope that these mutual talks continue within
the European Union and develop and get stronger.

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Yes,  French people are generally
known as cultured and intellectual.

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France is widely known as a country where
philosophy developed and grew stronger.

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For this reason especially, your
coming is very important for me.

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I’m waiting for your
questions, if you don't mind.

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Why did you send this many books
to France? What was your aim?

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I’m not the one who sent the
books. My publisher sent them books.

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Needless to say, the aim is for the
French people to see this important fact.

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The theory of evolution
is actually incorrect.

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If it were true, then it wouldn’t
contradict with religions.

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However, when we dig underground in Istanbul,
in Turkey and everywhere in the world,

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we see that in fact, the
creatures have not changed.

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This is a fact.

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There are no transitional
fossils proving otherwise.

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If there were any, by now they
would have been displayed publicly.

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This is also true on a molecular basis.

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The genetic data stored in one single cell

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is as great as all the
information in a huge library.

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To claim that this is happened
by chance is a tall order

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in a world full of so
many intelligent people.

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Besides, the presence of God
is something to delight in —

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a source of joy for people, nothing abrasive,
but something that will bring happiness.

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This does not bring reactionary attitudes, this
is something to bring progression and felicity.

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You say your theory is scientific. But as far as
I know, you have no general scientific education.

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If so, how can you say
your theory is scientific?

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It is very explicitly clear that Darwinism is invalid.
One do not need a scientific education for that.

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For example, you don’t need a specific scientific education
to say that this videotape is produced in a factory.

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It is quite obvious that it is
designed by special planning.

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Even children can understand the
fossils excavated from underground.

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The structure of proteins is now known, and the chances
of a protein coming into existence by chance are zero.

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There is no need for academic education to understand that
Darwinism is erroneous and to grasp the existence of God.

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Again, I await your questions.

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Your books are being mailed to many high
schools. France is a completely secular country,

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where in general, religion does not agree with science.

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What was the purpose in sending these books?

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Let me state right away that I truly defend
secularism. Secularism is a guarantee for religion.

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It is a good thing that France is secular.

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But if there are no transitional
fossils, telling high school and

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university students that that there
are transitional fossils is deceitful.

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If millions of fossils prove species were suddenly
created and this fact is hidden, this would also be deceitful.

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For that reason, for young people
to be able to think unbiased,

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facts should be exposed.

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So that young people or adults can decide for themselves.

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Let Marxism be taught,

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along with Fascism.

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Let Idealism, and Dialectic Materialism be taught.

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But let Creationism be explained
too, so that people can decide.

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Don’t let people be afraid of ideas.

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Fear of an idea means that the idea is true.

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The panicky reaction that occurred
is both unnecessary—and surprising.

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The reasons for it to be suprising
are the exaggerated words used.

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Words like ''an earthquake'',
''raid'' are exaggerations.

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There’s no need for this. People
should thought moderate and broad.

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Yes. In some schools, some teachers are fired and forced
to leave for teaching Darwinism. Do you find that justified?

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In Turkey, yes. We gathered some news
reports. Do you find something like this right?

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Being afraid of an idea is an uncivilized attitude.

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People should be able to state every kind of
opion freely, in every kind of environment.

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There should be no obstacles put in front
of Darwinism. It should be freely expressed.

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But those who prove that it’s
invalid should have that freedom too.

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Do you think your freedom is being constrained?

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If someone seizes the books and suggests they should
be burned, this is of course a constraint of freedom.

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For example there are people
suggesting to rip off my books.

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Those books are robust books,they
cannot be easily ripped off.

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To burn them all would also take
too much time, it would be difficult.

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In both France and Europe, these books
are distributed in a considerable numbers.

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In France, some doubts were raised
about how this distribution is financed.

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Or where does the Foundation’s
financing come from?

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Moreover, doubts about you are started
to arise because of this financing.

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Questioning the financing of a book instead of considering
the book’s contents and the ideas surprises me a little.

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What is really important is the content
of the book and the ideas it expresses.

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If the book were not distributed like this, its text is
already on the Internet and is easy people for to each.

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One book is made of paper;
the other is a virtual image.

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There is no real difference in between,so there
is no need to dwell on the paper version so much.

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How did you— or your publisher—choose
which universities to receive the books?

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Believe me, I have no information on this question.
I just prepare the books and am active in writting.

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Other than that, I have no
information on its distribution.

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But as far as I know, the universities
in France are well-known places.

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They are not government institutions with
confidential addresses, one could understand

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if they were like secret
police stations, or anything-

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but they are publicly known
universities. There’s nothing to be surprised at.

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Any telephone directory would be sufficient.

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Is there anyone in France working
for you, or for your organization?

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No

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Allright, then your distributing the books in
Europe, was it may be only a promotional activity?

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Because at the end, as you know, even if you send
those books, they won't directly reach to the student.

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There are committees in between; selection committees,
they would be doing the selection, for that reason-

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None of the books were sent to students.
There is some misunderstanding here.

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As far as i know the books were sent to
professors and academicians at the universities.

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Until now, they were not sent to any student.

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But in any case, the people who receive
the book will not show it to their students.

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Eventually, the Ministry of Education
decides what materials to give students.

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These books were not sent to educate the students.

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The publishing company sent these books
to get  the review of academicians and

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scientists and to obtain
their opinions and evaluation.

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Moreover, if the high school
and university students want to,

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they can access these books with
a few clicks on the Internet.

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There is no difficulty; It won’t take the
students 20 seconds to access these books.

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If we were living in the Middle Ages, we would be
restricted to the books, but now there is the Internet.

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Do you think your opinions will continue
to develop and spread more in Europe,

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or do you feel they have already developed-

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and that some steps are already been taken?

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It really shook people up, especially
France, it was almost shocking.

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Until now, the field was empty;
there was no one with contrary ideas.

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And those who did suggest any were supressed.

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But it is impossible for a normal person
to read the books and claim the reverse.

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Besides, experts of French Ministry
of Education explained this.

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It is impossible not to accept it, unless
someone deliberately insists on rejecting it.

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The book contains clear and explicit truths.

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Do you think Creation Theory
is acceptable in Turkey?

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In the 1980’s, more than 50% of the
Turkish people accepted Darwinism.

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But today 90% do not believe in Darwinism.

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This is the result of these scientific works.

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Turkish people are always open to truth and sincerity.

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I believe the French are the same as well.

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We will all see this together in future polls and surveys.

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You said that you have no scientific education, and
that you don’t need one to see the truth about fossils.

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But also we know that you are a religious person.
Therefore, isn’t the goal of all these works,

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that you have been working on, to  call people to Islam,

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to bring them to be devoted to Islam
and live a life as a devout Muslim?

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These works are not beneficial for Islam alone.
Fundamentally, of course, they are pro-Islam,

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but they are also very supportive
of Christianity  and Judaism.

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We also know that in Israel,
atheism and Darwinism are widespread.

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As a matter of fact, my books are
being translated into Hebrew...

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and are presently on sale in Israel.

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It had an important impact.

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The Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox, the Protestants--all
made use of these ideas on anti-Darwinism.

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Because all these religions share
the same monotheistic belief,

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fundamentals of Islam are in the
origin of all those religions.

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Abraham, Noah, Moses--they
all defended the same belief.

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We can continue now.

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Will you please tell us
how you obtained this idea?

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Were you always against Darwinism?
How did this develop for you?

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evaulate everything rationally. I defend
only things I believe in sincerely.

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I did research, and saw that
Darwinism is really a fallacy.

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Allah could use evolution in His
creations. But there really is no evolution.

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For example, was anyone in your family against
Darwinism, were you brought up like this?

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No, no. My family is liberal and secular.

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Is there anyone in your family
who believes in Darwinism?

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Not at the moment.

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But earlier?

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Yes.

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Do you consider yourself a secular person?

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Yes, of course. I see secularism
as a very important belief system.

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In general when secularism
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secularism is generally deemed
as the more scientific approach.

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No. Secularism does not contradict with
religion--Christianity, Judaism nor Islam.

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Secularism is a guarantee for religion,

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and it is also a guarantee for the unbelievers.

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Secularism strikes a balance between
the believers and unbelievers.

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Then do you think your theory
is spreading not only in Turkey

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and the Muslim community,
but also throughout the world?

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This is not a case of thought; this is
a fact. The researches demonstrate that.

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But don't you consider Darwinism as
an anti-religious theory in general?

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Because you said that God could have created the
world via evolution. But according to you, He did not.

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Can you enlarge upon that a bit more?

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I'm searching for the truth. God may
have created the world through evolution,

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but we see that it was not created that way.

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Millions of fossils show the fact of creation.

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If evolution were a fact, then there should
be millions of transitional-form fossils.

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Darwinism has convinced everyone
with very skilful propaganda--so far.

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People are awakening with great amazement to
see how they could have believed such a theory.

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In Turkey, the number of professors who
believe in evolution are now very few.

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Darwinism used to be the dominant
thought in the universities.

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In Turkey, might there be a situation where the
Minister of Education officially rejects Darwinism?

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Could this also be possible
elsewhere in the world?

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Rejecting ideas is not agreeable. I want
Darwinism to be taught in schools and universities.

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But I’d like the counter-theories
to be taught as well.

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If any answers given to
evolutionist claims are banned,

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then people will surely find the
evidence for them one way or another.

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Banned ideas just attract
more people’s attention.

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But people will surely reach the truth.

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Banning is no solution. The best
answer is freedom of opinion.

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Did you receive any support
from the party in power?

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No, no, no! We do not need
that. I don't need that.

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This idea is very strong and very clear,

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not one that needs support to survive.

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By ''government support,'' I meant municipalities or
governors have lent you halls for your conferences.

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Can we say that it’s been
easier under the AKP government,

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-and harder under the power of other political parties?

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No, no. Our friends organized exhibitions
in restaurants, even in kebab saloons.

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Many legal activities have been made by that way.

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Despite the intense reaction, our
people always stand by the truth.

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So with their support, these scientific
developments found an easy acceptance.

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As a result, among monotheist religions there are people
who are not so radical, who have much broader view points.

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For example, the Pope says that God created
man, but did not say in three days or six days.

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He does not speak in a totally radical way. Don’t
you think there can be more such moderate ideas?

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The Pope does not believe in Darwinism.

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But he said everything in
Darwinism should not be refuted.

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But the previous Pope did believe in
Darwinism. The present Pope does not accept it.

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You can see our influence here.

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Because I sent my book to Pope.

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Its effects were immediately evident.

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What effects?

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We can understand it from his clear
statement that he is against Darwinism.

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Did you get other positive
reactions to your book from Europe?

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Too many, too many.

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Like what?

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I can give you copies of them--
hundreds of documents. Thank-you letters,

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letters of appreciation, sent
from very distinguished circles.

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Such as?

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We received many letters from professors, researchers,
important politicians, from important politicians of France.

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You will be surprised to hear their names.

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I will present them in a while.

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you please give the names beforehand?

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Your former Prime Minister.

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French Prime Minister?

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Alain Juppe.

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Did Alain Juppe send you a
letter of congratulations?

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Yes.

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When?

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About a month ago.

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You see, I share many of my secrets with you!

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We are asking in order to
understand how you work.

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Do you have your own fossils
that you examine personally?

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How do you work, and how do
you perform your researches?

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There are millions of fossils in exhibit
in many museums all over the world.

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Also, there are private museums, maintained by thousands
of collectors. We benefit from their collections.

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Do you have a personal collection?

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My friends own a small collection.

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Where did the exhibited fossils
come from? Did you pay for them?

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They belong to various collectors.

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I have no information on them. But there
are numerous collectiors here in Turkey.

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How many exhibits has been held until now?

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In at least 200 to -300 places.

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In Turkey, they should give up hope.
Darwinism is over and done here in Turkey

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Even scientists declare the fact
that Darwinism will never return.

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Is your mission over as well?

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Since our work is worldwide,
it means we will keep on.

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Are you planning similar exhibitions abroad?

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We already have fossil exhibits abroad.

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Do you?

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Yes.

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Exhibitions held by BAV?

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No, private exhibits held by my
collector friends, my acquaintances.

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Private exhibitions held by people who
share these ideas, and support them.

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Which European countries
will you focus on next?

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I have no such plan.

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Don’t you have plans about
new conferences or such?

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My friends are thinking to hold one in
France. I hope we will not be countered

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by the powers behind the
scenes in France as well.

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Are you planning one in
Belgium or Switzerland?

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Sure, we have no boundaries.

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But I can say that worldwide
Darwinism has clearly come to an end.

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In 10 to 15 years, Darwinism
will be a told tale.

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Because the new generation is very
clever. They surf the Internet,

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searching for the facts. There's no more one
way education, there's multi-spectrum education.

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Unless they establish a filter on the Internet,
this surely seems the way of the future.

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The collapse of Darwinism is good news;
it shouldn't be taken like a death notice.

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For you, does the supposed end of Darwinism
in the future represent the end of terrorism?

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Yes. SRF and I are strictly against terrorism. It
is the shame of humanity, a crime against humanity.

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None of the religions defends terror---not
Christianity, not Judaism, not Islam.

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With all those who commit these acts of
terror, we discover that they are Darwinists,

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materialists and covert Communists.

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So then can we say that in 15 years,
there will be no terrorism left?

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Exactly. There will be an era of
peace. We call it the Golden Age.

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But some Muslims believe in creation and
yet involve themselves in terrorist acts.

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This is a complete mistake, due
to a lack of religious information.

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By no means has the religion
of Islam accepted terror.

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This has been clearly conveyed.

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There are quite a number of verses
about this issue in the Koran.

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Likewise, the Bible doesn't include any verse that blesses
terror, and nor does the Torah, the Holy Book of the Jews.

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Darwinism is seriously referred to in the countries
where it is deemed valid, even though it may contradict

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the religious values of the population.

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What do you think Darwinism offers
these populations, since although it

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contradicts their values
still they think highly of it?

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And my second question is, Have you been supported by the Islamic
world in any way, even by nations not as secular as Turkey?

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Of course, there's been a sober
awakening in most Islamic countries.

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Darwinism used to affect Islamic countries in the
past, but they've now slipping out of it rapidly.

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And worldwide support for
Darwinism is rapidly melting away.

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What essence does Darwinism harbor,
that it's been so long supported.

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and widespread, even in nations where
it doesn't overlap religious beliefs?

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Darwinism is the main weapon of
Communism, Fascism, and Imperialism.

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These movements severely
depend on Darwinism.

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Thank you a lot.